15-Day Glimpse of Cambodia Vietnam and Laos Tour
- Siem Reap
- Ho Chi Minh City
- Mekong Delta
- Da Nang
- Hoi An
- Hue
- Hanoi
- Halong Bay
- Luang Prabang
Begin an extraordinary 15-day adventure through Indochina, where you'll have the chance to discover the cultural and natural wonders that have been honored and safeguarded by UNESCO in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. This immersive journey will lead you from the breathtaking landscapes of Halong Bay to the rich historical heritage of Hue, and from the awe-inspiring marvels of Angkor to the soulful heart of Laos, Luang Prabang. Our wide array of excursions will offer you an authentic and profound insight into these precious gems of Southeast Asia.
- Visit the “Great City” of Angkor Thom including the famous Bayon Temple
- Travel on small rowing boat through canal surrounded by water palms to soak up the daily life of the Mekong delta
- Stop by Hanoi where the European structural style made its mark in the city's architecture
- Leisurely explore Luang Prabang - a great mixture of various historical and artistic heritages
- Siem Reap
- Ho Chi Minh City
- Mekong Delta
- Da Nang
- Hoi An
- Hue
- Hanoi
- Halong Bay
- Luang Prabang
Day 1 Siem Reap arrival
Our guide welcomes you when arriving SiemReap airport, the beginning point of our Vietnam Laos Cambodia tour. Name of this city which literally means the “Defeat of Siam”, is the most prosperous region of contemporary Cambodia. Its close proximity to the Angkor Wat temple complex has turned the city into one of the world’s premier travel destinations.Our guide will welcome you on arrival. Overnight in Siemreap.
Day 2 Siem Reap - Angkor Thom and Angkor Wat, dinner with Apsara dance show
Today promises a full day of exploration at the mystical Angkor Wat. In the morning, your journey will lead you to the awe-inspiring "Great City" of Angkor Thom. Your visits will encompass the renowned Bayon Temple, the Phimeanakas Temple nestled within the Royal Palace enclosure, the striking Baphuon Temple, as well as the enchanting Terraces of the Elephants and the Leper King.
The afternoon is dedicated to the exploration of the most renowned and magnificent Angkor Wat temple. As the day draws to a close, you'll be transported to a delightful restaurant for an evening filled with dinner and a captivating Apsara dance show. Your overnight stay will be at a hotel in Siem Reap, ensuring a restful night before further adventures.
Day 3 Siem Reap - Banteay Srei - Ta Prohm - Mebon - Sras Srang - Pre Rup – Ho Chi Minh city
Today you will have the chance to explore other impressive temples:
- Banteay Srey: loosely translates to ‘citadel of the women,’ but this is a modern appellation that probably refers to the delicate beauty of the carvings. It displays some of the finest examples of classical Khmer art.
- Ta Prohm: This quiet, sprawling monastic complex is only partially cleared of jungle overgrowth. Intentionally left partially unrestored, massive fig and silk-cotton trees grow from the towers and corridors offering some of the best ‘tree-in-temple’ photo opportunities at Angkor. Flocks of noisy parrots flit from tree to tree adding to the jungle atmosphere. Continue to visit Mebon temple. Then we take a flight from SiemReap to overnight in Ho Chi Minh city.
Day 4 Ho Chi Minh city half day tour + half day Cu Chi tunnel tour
In the morning, we pass by the hallmarks of the city which used to be called “The Gem of Far East”, Cathedral of Notre Dame which is built by the French in 1880, the first basilica of Vietnam, Central Post Office which is an iconic symbol of Saigon mixing of Gothic, Renaissance and French architecture, Former Catinat Street (now Dong Khoi Street) with a score of restored French buildings, Headquarter of the People’s Committee of Chi Minh City (formerly Central Park) which is considered as the most beautiful colonial building of the city.
We then continue to visit War Remnants Museum – Ho Chi Minh city’s past during the years of the American-Vietnamese War (1954-1975), Museum of Traditional Vietnamese Medicine to discover traditional Vietnamese medicine dating back more than 3000 years old ago.
The tour concludes with Cho Lon (Chinatown) with the Temple of the Celestial Lady and Ben Thanh Market - the representative image of Ho Chi Minh City.
In the afternoon, take an excursion to the Cu Chi tunnels in the suburbs of the city. Being the ex-battlefield of the cu chi tunnels Indochina War, Cu Chi is home to an immense network of underground galleries and narrow gutters hand-dug by guerrillas and Vietnamese fighters during the fight against the French and American.
On arrival, descend underground to discover a picturesque world: tunnels of a length: 200 km, width: 70 cm, height: 90 cm, sheltering several meeting rooms, kitchen rooms, hospitals and so on. Please get ready to get a little dirt under the ground (Note: Casual clothes are highly recommended on this day). Then you travel back and overnight at the hotel in Ho Chi Minh.
Day 5 Ho Chi Minh city – Mekong Delta
In the morning, we embark on a journey to explore the enchanting Mekong Delta. Originating from the lofty Tibetan plateau within the Himalayan ranges, the Mekong River ranks among the world's longest rivers, coursing through multiple Southeast Asian countries before ultimately meeting the sea.
Our first stop is Ben Tre, a charming local village nestled in the heart of the river's northern branch. Here, we embark on a boat trip bound for Mo Cay, renowned for its coconut-based products. To navigate the area, we'll take a ride on a Xe Loi, a motorized cyclo, through the lush expanse of coconut plantations. This path, far from the tourist crowds, leads us along small trails shaded by towering coconut palms, creating a wonderfully picturesque landscape. Along the way, we pause at farms to witness the crafting of delectable sweets and coconut brooms.
The highlight of our journey lies in a serene rowing boat excursion through a network of canals, surrounded by graceful water palms. This allows us to immerse ourselves in the daily rhythms of life in the delta. Following this, we proceed to visit the traditional home of Mr. Van, where we have the pleasure of tasting local specialties prepared by his wife, including coconut jam, honey tea, and pollen, all while engaging in friendly conversation with the local residents.
For lunch, we'll enjoy a delightful meal at a riverside restaurant by the Cai Cam River (at your own expense).
In the afternoon, we return to Ho Chi Minh City, where you'll spend the night.
Day 6 Ho Chi Minh city – Danang – Hoi An
Catch a morning flight from Ho Chi Minh City to Danang, followed by a scenic drive to Hoi An, a town that exudes charm and history. Hoi An, once a bustling port on Vietnam's Central coast, boasts a rich legacy of ancient architecture and a captivating riverside ambiance that transports visitors back in time. Immerse yourself in the town's enchanting atmosphere and overnight in Hoi An, where you can truly appreciate its unique character.
Day 7 Hoi An full day tour
During this full-day tour of Hoi An, we will explore a variety of fascinating sites:
- Phuc Kien Temple: Although often referred to as an assembly hall, this site is primarily used as a temple. It is dedicated to the goddess who safeguards fishermen and sailors, and it has been maintained by the descendants of Chinese families in Hoi An.
- Phuc Thanh Pagoda: This pagoda is one of the oldest in Hoi An, dating back to 1454. It holds a significant place in the town's history and spirituality.
- Japanese Bridge: Dating back to 1593, this iconic bridge connects the Chinese and Japanese areas within the town and is a symbol of cultural integration.
- Old Alleys and Ancient Houses: Stroll through old alleys and visit historic houses that have borne witness to centuries of Hoi An's history.
- Shops: Discover shops where vibrant silk and traditional lanterns are sold. You might be amazed by the swift service for tailor-made clothing, a rare opportunity to have clothes crafted to your size within just 24 hours.
In the afternoon, we'll venture into the Van Lang fishing village and the Bay Mau coconut forest. Surrounded by meandering canals, lush mangrove forests, and swaying coconut palms, this area retains its authentic charm. As we navigate through rice fields, maize plantations, vibrant gardens, and welcoming hamlets, you'll have the chance to visit handicraft factories and boat-building workshops, providing ample opportunities for beautiful photos and intriguing insights.
Upon reaching the Van Lang village, you'll be greeted by friendly boatmen who will guide you on a basket-boat excursion amidst the river's coconut trees. Take in the stunning scenery, relax, and even try your hand at shrimp-catching techniques before returning to your hotel. Your day concludes with an overnight stay in Hoi An, where you can reflect on the rich experiences of the day.
Day 8 Hoi An – Hue – half day tour
Departing from Hoi An in the morning, our journey takes us toward Hue, ascending the thrilling Hai Van Pass with its winding roads and breathtaking views of Lang Co Bay.
Upon arriving in Hue, we promptly visit either Gia Long Tomb, the founder of the Nguyen Dynasty, or the tomb of Ming Mang Emperor, known for his numerous royal heirs.
If time permits, we explore the garden houses in Phu Mong village, offering a glimpse of ancient royal heritage and meticulously designed gardens.
Our tour continues with a visit to Thien Mu Pagoda or Tu Hieu Pagoda, followed by Dong Ba Market, the oldest and largest market in Hue.
Enjoy these vibrant experiences and an overnight stay in Hue.
Day 9 Hue half day tour – Hanoi
In the morning, we explore Hue, the last imperial capital of Vietnam, visiting the Imperial City, a massive structure built under the reign of Minh Mang.
In the afternoon, we fly from Hue to Hanoi, the 1000-year-old capital. You might notice the European architectural influence in the city center, once the capital of French Indochina. Depending on your hotel's location, you may pass through the Old Quarter with its historic 36 streets, each named after the goods traditionally produced and sold there. Optionally, visit Ma May Street to see an Ancient Vietnamese House. Enjoy the rest of the day at your leisure in Hanoi.
Day 10 Hanoi – Halong Bay
In the morning, we depart for Halong Bay by shuttle bus (without a private guide), known as one of Vietnam's most beautiful landscapes and a stunning part of Asia. Halong Bay is located 180 km east of Hanoi, near the Chinese border, covering an area of about 1500 km². It's famous for its thousands of limestone karsts rising from the emerald waters, with magnificent caves eroded by wind and sea over centuries.
Upon arrival, the cruise staff welcomes you, and you'll board a shuttle boat for a short transfer (approximately 5 minutes) to the main cruise. Enjoy a welcome cocktail and complete the check-in process on board.
Lunch is served as the cruise passes by some of the most picturesque locations, including mountains and a floating village. In the afternoon, if weather permits, you can go swimming and kayaking (kayak expenses are separate). Don't miss the opportunity to witness the breathtaking sunset over the bay.
In the evening, dinner is served while the cruise anchors in a tranquil area of the bay. Overnight on board.
Note: The cruise itinerary and activities may vary depending on the chosen cruise.
Day 11 Halong Bay cruising/ kayaking
The day commences early onboard with a Tai Chi session on the sundeck, allowing you to rejuvenate and connect with the tranquil surroundings. Breakfast is served in the restaurant, offering picturesque morning views of the bay's landscape.
Afterward, you will be transferred to a day boat for an exploration of the deeper and less-explored parts of the bay. Prepare for a full day of kayaking, swimming, and sunbathing. Lunch will be served on board or on a private beach, depending on weather conditions. Upon returning to the main cruise, you can enjoy swimming in an untouched area.
In the evening, indulge in a deluxe dinner featuring delicious local cuisine meticulously prepared and served by our dedicated onboard catering staff. You'll spend the night on board.
Please note that the cruise itinerary and activities may vary depending on the specific cruise selected for the journey.
Day 12 Halong Bay – Hanoi
In the early morning, welcome the day as the first rays of sunlight illuminate the thousands of karsts dotting the bay. Next, we explore the captivating caves of Halong Bay, including the French-named "Surprise Cave," where we can study stalagmites and stalactites that have formed over thousands of years. Enjoy brunch on board.
As the afternoon draws to a close, we'll make our way back to Hanoi and transfer to the city. Your overnight stay will be in Hanoi.
Day 13 Hanoi city tour – Luang Prabang
Today, we'll take a flight from Hanoi to Luang Prabang, the second destination in our Vietnam-Laos-Cambodia tour. Luang Prabang is often regarded as the heart of Laotian culture, offering a captivating blend of historical and artistic heritage that reflects the fusion of traditional Lao style with colonial influences. This city is also surrounded by a breathtaking natural landscape, featuring the Mekong River, majestic mountains, enchanting waterfalls, and quaint villages inhabited by diverse ethnic groups.
Upon arrival, our guide will extend a warm welcome and accompany your group to the hotel for some relaxation time. Enjoy your overnight stay in Luang Prabang, where you can immerse yourself in the city's rich cultural and natural wonders.
Day 14 Luang Prabang – Pak Ou Cave – city tour
In the morning, we commence our journey with a cruise upstream on the Mekong River, leading us to the enigmatic Pak Ou Caves. Along the way, we make a stop at the village of Ban Xanghai, known for its local rice wine production. On the return trip, we disembark to visit traditional villages and then take a short drive to Ban Phanom, a village renowned for its exceptional hand weaving.
Upon returning to Luang Prabang, our guide will accompany you to the National Museum, housed in the former Royal Palace. Our exploration continues with a visit to the impressive stupa of Wat Visoun, the sacred shrine of Wat Aham, the city's oldest temple, Wat Sene, and Wat Mai. We also explore these sites and the magnificent Wat Xiengthong.
In the late afternoon, we ascend 329 steps to the summit of Mount Phousi to witness a breathtaking sunset. Afterward, we have the opportunity to explore the Night Market if time allows. Enjoy your overnight stay at the hotel in Luang Prabang.
Day 15 LuangPrabang – Kuangsi waterfall - departure
We begin the day by visiting the morning Phousi Market, immersing ourselves in the vibrant local atmosphere. Following this, we explore the villages of Lao ethnic minority groups, including Ban Ouay (a Hmong village), Ban Ou (a Laoloum village), and Ban Thapene (a Khmu village).
Our journey continues to the enchanting Khuang Si Waterfall, a magnificent waterfall boasting three tiers that culminate in a 50-meter drop into shallow pools. This natural wonder is surrounded by lush tropical jungle, with cascades reaching heights of up to 5 meters. There are well-marked trails leading to the top of Kuang Si Falls, providing a view of the stream that feeds into the falls. It's advisable to wear appropriate footwear, as the trails can become slippery, particularly during the wet season. Here, you can cool off with a refreshing swim or stroll along the forest trails.
Finally, we'll transfer you to the airport to bid farewell to Luang Prabang, marking the end of our Vietnam-Laos-Cambodia tour.
More tour ideas
- Accommodation for the entire circuit, in hotels or with locals
- Travel according to the program by private car
- English-speaking guide for the visits mentioned in the program
- All activities mentioned in the program, including entrance fees to tourist sites
- Economy class domestic flights with airport taxes included
- Meals mentioned in the program
- Bottle of water during guided tours (2 x 500ml/traveler/day)
- Government taxes currently in force (VAT, etc.)
- International flights from your home
- Visa fees, payable directly at the airport customs (see VISA)
- Bank fees related to payment
- Personal insurance
- Personal beverages during meals: beer, Coca-Cola, fruit juice, etc.
- Other meals not specified in the program
- SIM card and mobile plans
- Tips, personal expenses, and other services not mentioned in the "Our Included Services" section
Our Happy Customers
Mr. Patrick and Mrs. Marie Perou
The rest of the journey went very well until Pu Long, largely thanks to Thien who quickly understood what we wanted to see (amazing hikes) and what we wanted to experience in our interactions with the minority ethnic groups. Thanks to our guide, we had many warm exchanges and shared beautiful emotions over tea, fruits, and bong gao in their humble homes. Unforgettable experiences in the villages of tiles, knives, incense, and weaving.
An opportunity for great happiness to experience the Than Minh festival proposed by Thien.
Thank you for the foot massage, which was a pure moment of relaxation... It made us want to book a full body massage upon our return from Pu Long.
We are truly delighted with our journey in the North, although we missed the good weather a bit.
A word also about our driver, who was extremely careful on the mountain roads and always provided valuable assistance with a smile for his passengers.
Looking forward to continuing towards Halong Bay tomorrow.
The adventure of traveling to Vietnam with the Kommer family
Xenia Kommer's Family Travel Diary
[29/3/24]: Tony and the driver are great! And everything we've seen and done too 😊
[1/4/24]: Hello! We are back from the boat in Halong Bay. It was very beautiful! I didn't tell you that we ate crickets last 😁 week In Tam Coc the boys played football with children from there 😉
[3/4/24]: Hello, we arrived safely in Hoi An today. Everything is great, the hotel is very nice. Yesterday the boys swam in the Hue😉 River
[5/4/24]: Hoi An diving, I don't do it but the boys love it 😃
The Alzarral family with their friends
To begin with, thank you for this wonderful trip that you organized for us. Thank you to Huan, Kien and Ms. Chau for conveying the love of their country to us. Bus drivers were also safe in this traffic.
After the discussion among all the participants in the trip, we send you these observations:
Guide: 5/5⭐
Drivers 5/5⭐
Bus:4/5⭐
Hotel: 4.9/5⭐ (slightly small breakfast room at the Sanouva Hotel in Saigon).
Choice of restaurant by guides: 5/5⭐
Transfer by plane: 5/5⭐
Choice of visits:5/5⭐
Organization of the agency: 5/5⭐
Thank you, Mrs. TRANG VU, for your warm welcome at the agency and for your willingness to organize our trip. We also thank Bao for his kindness and for the short documentary on YouTube. You can count on us to really appreciate your skills.
Thanks again for everything 😘😘
Mrs. Silvia and her husband
Greetings from Lima, guys! We just got home and we don't even feel tired! I still have the energy to keep going, haha!
Now, let's talk about the North. In February, from Hanoi to Ha Long, there is a lot of drizzle. I suggest other visitors always carry a fine raincoat when they go. Luckily, it didn't alter our plan much. We enjoyed the coffee with egg and the bun cha. Ms. Nhung knew all the perfect places to eat, without worrying about finding available places, and at good prices! I'll send you some great photos from Hanoi!
But, the most amazing thing was the experience on the Mekong! Just perfect. We loved Mr. Nguyen; He had an in-depth knowledge of the place, which made us enjoy it to the fullest. He also shared a lot of interesting things about the Vietnamese and their current and current culture, not just theory.
The hotels were ok, no complaints. This trip makes us think of Cambodia and Thailand with our friends in the future (still wishes)
I think that's enough for now. See y
Chantal & Daniel
Hello Mrs. Huyen and all her team,
We had dreamed it, we had prepared our trip with the guides, and now we are back, with the images still fresh in our minds.
Thank you and congratulations for this perfect organization, despite the fact that a flight was delayed a day at the last minute. We found our guides and drivers as planned, the guides were friendly, spoke perfect Spanish, the "busy" program was respected.
Recounting our journey could become a real novel, so we will talk about the main points. Now, worry before leaving because the guides said that we should avoid the Tet period, that for the lunar new year everything was closed, anyway what joy, flowers, decorations, events everywhere.
👉Hanoi, staying in the center, after a tour of the city, and a visit to Kampa Tour, a well-deserved siesta, we set off on foot (without a guide) through the narrow streets (thanks to the GPS to find the hotel).
👉The next day, visits to museums, great water puppet show.
👉Day 3:
The Le Boucher family
February 15-28, 2024 -
"Hello, the trip is going very well. Yesterday I grew rice. A symbol and a source of pride for me, I would even say one of the goals of this trip. Thank you"
"The work in the rice paddies is already well underway...we are lucky to see the peasants in full activity, it is really enriching to learn about your way of life. A 12km walk today was an intense moment. "
The Diego Family
January 2024
We're on the flight from Siem Reap to Bangkok. I'm writing these lines because I'm eager to share more details about the trip, in addition to praising the services (hotels, restaurants, etc.) that I mentioned during the call in Vietnam.
Visiting the Angkor Wat temple complex is worth it. When we entered, we felt like we were becoming tiny people. It was a very surprising experience. On the second day, when we arrived at the lakeside village of Kompong Khleang, the scenery isn't beautiful, but it showcases the culture of the people, which is very interesting. The tour guide in Cambodia is very good, has a good sense of humor, and is always willing to explain everything coherently. So we didn't respond to the message immediately.
The continuity between the visit to Cambodia and the conclusion of the trip in Vietnam is certainly very reasonable. The number of days for visiting is also appropriate. In addition to following our itinerary, we also made use of our free t
Mr. Sebastian Rodriguez and his friends
January 2024 - The trip went well. We had memorable experiences in Asia with your team, the guides, and even the driver. Everything went smoothly, from the weather to the services (meals, accommodations) you arranged for us. Here are more details:
The first week in Vietnam was very good. We loved the egg coffee. Vietnamese cuisine is very diverse, and it was great because we had time to try most of the typical dishes: pho, bun cha, cao lau, and banh mi. The Old Quarter of Hanoi has an ancient beauty, but it's still a bit noisy. The cyclo experience was very reasonable and helped us not get bored while going to Hoi An, also to the Old Quarter, but to explore it by bikes. Ha Long Bay is very beautiful. The cruise was excellent.
The next part of the trip was in Cambodia, where we had truly amazing moments in front of the ruins of Angkor Wat. The tour guide in Cambodia was very detailed in everything we wanted to know. A few days in Cambodia are enough.
The end of the trip was in
Mrs and Mr SCHAMP
Dec 23, 2023 - We came back enchanted from our trip to Vietnam as a couple. Vietnam is a magnificent and endearing country.
The inhabitants are very welcoming and kind. As soon as we got back, we were already looking forward to going back. This was our first trip to Asia. Thanks to Kampá Tour and above all to its highly competent team, and in particular Madame Thom Doan, we set off with great confidence, and we haven't regretted it. The organization is impeccable, the hotels are top-quality and the activities varied (visits, trekking, kayaking, cycling, etc.).
The program was heavy, but we were able to split the tour into 17 days instead of 15, to take advantage of each region.
What a pleasure it was to be accompanied in each region by a guide who spoke perfect French and knew the country very well. We were able to travel with complete peace of mind, letting ourselves be guided and driven without worrying about a thing.
The family of Mr. GEIGER
Dec 6, 2023 - What a superb trip! Complete satisfaction! Discovery of the NORTH and CENTRAL VIETNAM. A very well-organized journey by VIETNAM DISCOVERY; competence and kindness of our guide LUNA; We were warmly welcomed at the agency (beautiful structure) by Mrs. THOM DOAN. The circuit and hotel services were fully in line with the program. We return with lots of beautiful memories and stunning images in our minds. Landscapes, temples, rice fields, Hmong villages, Halong Bay, Hue, Hoi An. We wholeheartedly recommend. BERNARD
[See more]Mrs Gisele Denaes and friends
28 Octobre 2023 - Hello, we had good feedback. All my friends were satisfied with your services. I will come back to you if we decide to go back.
Thanks again. I hope to see you soon.
Gisele Denaes.
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Hello, yes, the return trip went well. We appreciated the beauty of your country, its authenticity and the kindness of the inhabitants.
Thank you for your warm welcome. Our guide Duc and the driver were excellent, very professional and very kind.
Sincerely Agnès and Gilbert STRAUCH.
The Patricia Ait family
November 13, 2023 - Our trip was simply extraordinary and wonderful. It was a lesson in life. It would not have been possible without Mrs. Duong Lan, our Vietnam découverte correspondent, who was always available and very attentive, and who proposed a personalized tour according to our needs, guiding us in our choices.
The hotels were chosen with great care, and we really appreciated the home-stay accommodations, which gave us the chance to share special moments with the families.
Our driver, Phong, young and careful, was wonderful and very kind. Our guide, Hiep, "a walking encyclopedia of Vietnam", knew northern Vietnam and its history inside out. He was very committed, a good listener and had great human qualities to match his skills.
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