From Bangkok to Tropical Nature & Beach 10 days
- Bangkok
- Khao Sok
- Phi Phi island
- Phuket
A 10-day Thailand beach holiday itinerary that takes you from the bustling streets of Bangkok to the serene shores of Phi Phi Island and Phuket. This journey is more than a mere getaway; it's a rich tapestry of experiences woven together to create a story you'll cherish forever. Dive into an underwater world teeming with colorful marine life, and as the day fades, watch the sky paint itself in hues of orange and pink during a breathtaking sunset. From the energetic buzz of Bangkok to the peaceful rhythm of island life, each day unveils a new chapter in your tale of adventure, relaxation, and tropical bliss.
- Bangkok: Experience the vibrant fusion of tradition and modernity amidst bustling streets and intricate temples.
- Khao Sok: Immerse yourself in the serene beauty of pristine rainforests and natural landscapes.
- Phi Phi Island: Explore stunning vistas and crystal-clear waters in this picturesque island paradise.
- Phuket: Relax on beautiful beaches, soaking in the laid-back charm and coastal allure.
- Bangkok
- Khao Sok
- Phi Phi island
- Phuket
Day 1 Bangkok – arrival
Arrive in Bangkok, where a friendly local guide from Kampá Tour will warmly greet you at the airport. You'll then be smoothly transferred to your city center hotel, with rooms available from 2 p.m. onwards. Take some time to relax or start exploring the vibrant Thai capital at your own pace.
Your evening will be spent comfortably at the hotel, marking a relaxed start to your 10-day Thailand beach holiday with Kampá Tour.
Day 2 Bangkok - City tour
Start your "Thailand 10-day" tour today with a day dedicated to exploring the city of Bangkok.
- Visit the Grand Palace, Thailand's most important landmark, where you will be impressed by the grandeur and majesty of the building and its throne rooms.
- Admire the mysterious Emerald Buddha, the most revered Buddha image in the country.
- Visit Wat Pho along the way, the largest and oldest temple in Bangkok, famous for its 45-meter reclining Buddha statue.
- We will then visit Wat Traimit, which is well-known for the Golden Buddha.
- Board a long-tail boat to sail along the Chao Phraya River before entering a klong, staying away from the heavily touristy areas. Stop at Wat Arun, the Temple of Dawn.
Return to the hotel to rest for the night in Bangkok.
Day 3 Bangkok - Damnoen Saduak floating markets – Wat Bang Kung
Depart early to visit the Maeklong market, located on the railway tracks very close to the train terminus. Walk along the rails to explore the vibrant market and witness how quickly the merchants fold up their stalls in preparation for the train, which is scheduled to pass around 8:30 a.m.
Afterwards, head to the small market of Samut Songkhran, where you'll embark on a beautiful canoe ride along the Grand Canal and then through smaller canals, providing an authentic glimpse of rural Asia just outside of Bangkok. The approximately one-hour ride will culminate in the heart of the Damnoen Saduak floating market.
Explore this traditional market, bustling with sellers offering a variety of products, including food, flowers, plants, and even animals.
Continue your journey to discover Wat Bang Kung, an ancient temple in Samut Songkhram, Thailand. It was built during the Ayutthaya period. At 'Wat Bang Kung,' the shades of Banyan trees will help you find peace of mind and cherish the beauty of nature. Having a walk through this ancient temple and along the side of the Mae Klong river, you will experience a different world full of spiritualism and novelty.
Return to Bangkok for the night.
Day 4 Bangkok - Fly to Surat Thani – Khao Sok national park
Following breakfast, indulge in leisure time until your flight departure to Surat Thani.
Later in the afternoon, partake in a guided tour organized by your hotel, commencing a half-day trek within the Khao Sok National Park. Renowned for its breathtaking natural vistas, diverse wildlife, and an array of outdoor pursuits like hiking, kayaking, and jungle safaris, the park awaits.
Venture deep into the lush foliage, bidding farewell to the modern world for a day wholly dedicated to immersing yourself in the embrace of nature's wonders.
Day 5 Khao Sok National park - Cheow Lan Lake Boat Trip (Join in)
You will have the chance to visit one of Khao Sok National Park's hidden gems: Cheow Lan Lake.
Cheow Lan Lake, established in 1982 following the construction of the Ratchaprapha Dam for generating electricity, stands today as one of the most captivating attractions in the Khao Sok National Park area. A boat trip to this reservoir is almost essential for any visitor to the national park.
Embarking on an excursion aboard traditional long-tail boats, you'll be enchanted by a landscape of indescribable beauty. Towering hundreds of meters above the lake, the majestic rocks create a grand and spectacular setting. Along the journey, you'll encounter small caves to explore and have the opportunity to stop at one of the charming floating bungalows for a picnic, followed by a refreshing swim in the lake.
Moreover, the national park offers an array of activities for adventure seekers, including hiking, canoeing, bamboo rafting, and boat trips on Cheow Lan Lake.
Day 6 Khao Sok national park - Krabi - Phi Phi Island
Enjoy breakfast and take some free time to explore.
Commence packing and check-out by 11:00. A driver will be waiting at the hotel to transport you to Krabi's pier, where you'll board a shuttle ferry headed for Phi Phi Island.
Upon arrival at Phi Phi Island's pier (Tonsai pier), take a brief stroll to your hotel located near the pier for check-in and leisurely relaxation.
Day 7 Phi Phi Island, free time
Enjoy your free days exploring the dynamic Phi Phi Island at your leisure. Here are some additional suggestions for your free days on vibrant Phi Phi Island:
- Discover beaches: Long Beach, Loh Dalum Bay, and Laem Tong Beach offer unique charms - relaxation or vibrant activities.
- Island hop: Visit Bamboo Island, Maya Bay, or Mosquito Island for snorkeling and stunning scenery. (Maya Bay is closed for about two months every year for conservation purposes. The closure usually takes place during the monsoon season, from August 1st to October. However, the exact dates may vary slightly each year, so it is advisable to check for updates before planning your visit.)
- Local immersion: Explore markets, villages, and savor local cuisine for authentic experiences.
- Adventure: Dive into water sports or hike viewpoints for thrilling exploration.
- Sunset cruise: Enjoy a scenic boat trip as the day fades away.
- Nightlife: Beach bars, clubs, and fire shows for a lively evening.
- Relaxation: Unwind with a spa day or beach lounging.
Day 8 Phi Phi Island - transfer by boat to Phuket
When transferring from Phi Phi Island to Phuket by boat, here are some exciting activities you can consider for the day:
- Visit Beach Destinations: Explore Phuket's beaches like Patong Beach, Kata Beach, or Freedom Beach to enjoy white sands and crystal-clear waters.
- Explore Phuket Old Town: Discover Phuket Old Town with its traditional heritage houses, charming streets, and unique shops.
- Cultural Exploration: Engage in cultural experiences like visiting temples such as Wat Chalong or exploring the Big Buddha, a significant cultural landmark.
- Water Activities: Try out water sports such as snorkeling, diving, or jet skiing in the beautiful coastal areas of Phuket.
- Local Markets and Cuisine: Explore local markets for souvenirs and sample authentic Thai cuisine at street food stalls or restaurants.
Day 9 Phuket free time
Make the most of your free days in vibrant Phuket. Explore its dynamic essence at your own pace, diving into local culture and activities. Wander along stunning beaches, experience the buzz of markets, and engage with locals. Discover the island's rich heritage at temples and viewpoints. Embrace adventure or simply relax, all while getting to know Phuket's welcoming locals.
Day 10 Phuket - Bangkok Departure
Depending on your flight schedule, you will return to Bangkok to prepare for your journey home. This marks the conclusion of your unforgettable 10-day Thailand tour with Kampá Tour. We hope you've created beautiful memories to cherish and look forward to welcoming you again for more adventures.
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• Chosen services
- Accommodation for the entire circuit, in hotels or with locals
- Travel according to the program by private car
- English-speaking guide for the visits mentioned in the program
- All activities mentioned in the program, including entrance fees to tourist sites
- Economy class domestic flights with airport taxes included
- Meals mentioned in the program
- Bottle of water during guided tours (2 x 500ml/traveler/day)
- Government taxes currently in force (VAT, etc.)
- International flights from your home
- Visa fees, payable directly at the airport customs (see VISA)
- Bank fees related to payment
- Personal insurance
- Personal beverages during meals: beer, Coca-Cola, fruit juice, etc.
- Other meals not specified in the program
- SIM card and mobile plans
- Tips, personal expenses, and other services not mentioned in the "Our Included Services" section
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What they say about us
Countless travelers create unforgettable memories with us every year. Discover their testimonials about our exceptional service, stunning destinations, and the highlights of their trips !
What they say about us
Françoise & Claude Family - France
December 12, 2024 - Dear NHUNG,
A huge THANK YOU for organizing our trip, which was flawless. How much work you must have had to do for us!
First, for creating a custom itinerary, taking into account our requests for visits. To do this, you contacted me several times on WhatsApp, and in the end, the tour was perfect and fit within our budget. Thank you, Nhung, for your availability, your listening, and your patience.
Then, unfortunately, we had to test, quite against our will, your competence and professionalism when, one day before departure, my husband developed a sinus infection requiring urgent surgery. We were leaving as three—my brother and us. We had prepared the trip so well that I asked my brother to go ahead. Three days later, after the surgery went very well, I decided to join my brother and take the tour from Halong Bay (one week later). Nhung was amazing and incredibly efficient. She canceled my husband’s personal bookings and took care of my transfer to the Halon
Eric and friends - Australia
November 25, 2024 - Hello Nhung,
What a wonderful surprise this palace in Sapa is once again.
We deeply appreciate the tranquility and relaxation of this sumptuous and luxurious establishment: it's a perfect retreat after the bustling days we’ve had since our arrival.
What magnificent discoveries we’ve had in the program you organized for us.
Incredible landscapes and settings, remarkable encounters, and extraordinary people everywhere in the local life. The guides were all different but so passionate and engaging (little Linh, so endearing, Hang, and Sam, so dedicated and professional). The drivers were experienced (especially Cuong in the North, who is our favorite: so kind and attentive… and an expert at navigating the mountain roads to keep us safe).
Leonardo and his wife - France
November 15, 2024 - Dear Nhung,
I finally find the time to write to you and share the impressions that our journey to Vietnam left on us.
Beyond the wonderful memories of the 23 days we spent in Vietnam, there is a particular aspect of this trip that I wish to share with you.
My wife and I have traveled fairly extensively. Not as much as we would have liked, but over the years, we have had the opportunity to visit several countries and have learned to organize our trips quite competently and independently. We have never participated in an organized tour and have always chosen our destinations, itineraries, and experiences based on our readings about the countries we visit and our personal tastes and interests. For Vietnam, our starting point was the same, and you may recall that to define our itinerary, we initially sent you a very precise and detailed travel plan.
Véronique Demonçay - Canada
October 20, 2024 - Good evening Mrs. Trang,
We have returned home and resumed work, though with a bit of nostalgia after discovering your beautiful country.
We had an excellent trip; everything was just as planned. Our guide Thien made the stay very enjoyable by scheduling visits during less crowded times. Always kind, cheerful, and speaking excellent English, he shared his knowledge and the great cultural richness of his country. He always gave us great advice. Thank you also to Mr. Long for his careful driving and kindness.
In Cambodia, Mr. Tra (short for his name) also adapted the visit itinerary to less crowded times. He added a temple visit and the visit to the Angkor Scent Workshop. We ended up visiting the floating village of Kampong Phuck, which was closer than the one originally planned, and there weren't too many people yet. This allowed us to visit a local market as well.
Just for your information, it’s necessary to complete the e-Arrival form for Cambodia in add
Pier-Luc Desbiens - Australia
October 7, 2024 - Hello,
We booked this tour at the last minute, and Kampá Tour didn’t disappoint with their prompt organization. Our guide, Thao, was fantastic—full of energy, humor, and knowledge. We spent a lot of time on boats, drifting along the rivers and canals. We loved cycling through the quiet palm groves and cruising through the narrow waterways by sampan in Mekong Delta.
A special thank you to the entire team at Kampá Tour. We spent 15 days in a wonderful country, with remarkable people, extraordinary landscapes, and a fascinating culture... Our return flight on Sunday was also perfect, and we have already been back at work since Monday... but with many images of Vietnam still in our heads and hearts 😊
Best regards,
Pier-Luc Desbiens
Brigitte and Jean - USA
September 22, 2024 - Dear Ms. Thanh LE,
We are already back in Toulouse, and we didn’t realize how quickly time flew by.
Our 18-day Vietnam tour (August-September 2024) was an unforgettable experience.
First of all, we would like to thank your agency, "Kampá Tour," and especially you, Ms. Thanh Le. This trip, organized by your agency, was remarkably well-prepared, with representatives always attentive to our needs. The selection of hotels and destinations was meticulously planned. During our stay, we had five guides who were always there for us, making us live magical moments. A special thanks to Nhi and Lam. We loved our experiences in Sapa, Hue, Hanoi, Ha Long Bay, the Imperial City, and many other places (the list is long).
Regarding safety, it was very reassuring, and we felt well taken care of before and during the trip. On the first day, we had the chance to meet you at your Hanoi office, where you handed us the documents for our tour. I highly recommend this customiz
Maria Dolores & friends - Argentina
September 12, 2024 - Hello,
We had the most amazing time and are heading back to Argentina completely in love with your beautiful country! Everything was perfectly organized, and always on time.
The hotels were so comfortable, and the guides were absolutely fantastic. Special thanks to Luis in Hanoi and Ming in Phnom Penh for their kindness and professionalism – they really made our trip extra special! Hue and Phnom Penh were simply breathtaking – such charming cities with so much history and beauty. We couldn't have asked for a better experience, and we truly appreciate all the effort that went into planning this unforgettable journey.
I will be recommending your agency to all my friends and family – you have been incredible!
Big hugs and all the best,
Lane and Olivier - Mexico
August 27, 2024 - The trip went very well. Thank you.
We are delighted with our stay in Vietnam. The tour was superb, varied, and very interesting. The hotels were top-notch. The guides were attentive and very kind. We have no complaints about them; on the contrary, they were very friendly and competent, and we would have liked to do more.
Additionally, we thought of something you might want to mention to your future travelers: during our two days alone in Hoi An, we used the Grab app a lot for getting around the city. This app was recommended to us by a fellow Mexico traveler, and it was indeed very useful!
We will recommend Kampá Tour.
Best wishes to the entire team.
Sincerely,
Gesbert Family - USA
August 8, 2024 - Hello,
I finally have the time to share our feedback regarding our trip to Vietnam.
Hanoi: We really enjoyed the vibrant atmosphere, the old Hanoi; it was a very nice experience! The puppet show was really great. Pu Luong: The view was magnificent, and the walks were our favorite part.
The lodge was perfect. The night at the homestay was a unique experience, and fortunately, we had Zan to communicate a little; otherwise, the language barrier would have been too difficult. The family was very welcoming and kind.
Terrestrial Halong Bay: When we arrived, we found it too touristy (a lot of people), but in the end, we loved it! It was very lively and pleasant. We dined at a delicious restaurant right next to the hotel, typical and inexpensive; it was very good. The activities also satisfied us.
Baudry Family - Canada
July 25, 2024 - Hello,
Just to keep you informed:
First, the Au Lac Charner hotel was very good. We had a lovely evening last night, a nice dinner at the hotel (we preferred not to go out in the city because our youngest son had a stomach ache, but he’s much better today). The night was restful. The breakfast was very good.
Today the day is going very well. Everything is very interesting and the activities have followed each other smoothly without any waiting. Not many tourists, so we could enjoy it. Our guide is teaching us a lot about life in Vietnam.
We have arrived at the Mekong Home hotel, which is charming. We will have the cooking class a little later. In the meantime, we will enjoy the pool, the small boat, and the fishing rods available. It’s very pleasant! Have a great day.
Christine Baudry
Alejandra and Mirta - Argentina
July 7, 2024 - Hello, good night
I would like to thank you for the beautiful experience, the attention and kindness of the guides, the transfers, the hotels we loved. I learned a lot and it brought me beautiful memories of Vietnam, the grateful one is me. I recommended your agency to my family and acquaintances.
Greetings and see you soon,
Alejandra -
Joe and his family - USA
June 27, 2024 - Halong Bay cruise? Absolute game-changer! Hands down the highlight of our trip! And the price? Pretty sweet deal we snagged online.
But let me tell you about our almost-epic fail. Yours truly here forgot to get the visa for Vietnam in advance. Classic, right? Enter our hero, the AMAZING agent Thom. She swooped in and saved the day with her emergency visa wizardry. Thom didn’t just stop there. She contacted the travel agency, got all our paperwork sorted, and rescheduled our trip faster than you can say 'Oops, I did it again.' This all happened at the eleventh hour (literally). Our flight was at 7 pm, and we discovered the visa fiasco at 5:30 pm. Talk about cutting it close!
And because we had to arrive a day late, it messed up our follow-up travel plans. No problem for Thom, though. She rearranged everything so smoothly, even got us a direct transfer to the airport instead of the hotel, with no extra charge. Thom is basically a travel superhero, cape and all.
Horacio and his wife - USA
June 10, 2024 - Hello Thom,
Thank you for reaching out, I was also going to send you a message letting you know we had arrived home already. We just got back home this past Saturday, after traveling to Malaysia and Qatar as well. It’s been a week of catching up from all the work accumulated for the past 3 weeks.
We loved the service that Kampá Tour provided, how everything was handled down to smallest detail. All the 3 guides and drivers were wonderful, we got to know Vietnam more in depth thanks to way they presented the country to us. The hotels, the drivers, the food, the people, the scenery, the different activities, everything exceeded our expectations. Having a one-on-one guide was the best decision, since everything was customized to our specific requests.
Thank you so much for preparing everything single detail during our journey, it was a real pleasure working with you!!!! For now, we’re back to our daily routine, but will definitely use Kampá Tour again in a future t
Nadine, Marie, and her friends - France
May 23, 2024 - Hello Mrs. Duong,
As agreed, a little feedback on our stay. First of all, a big thank you for these wonderful holidays. Your country is magnificent with an endearing population.
The guides were great, mastering English well. We give a rating of +++ to Vinh for the southern part.
The proposed restaurants met our expectations, and we were able to enjoy the local cuisines.
The drivers were attentive.
The range of hotels chosen exceeded our expectations, and we appreciated it.
The tour is very well designed, but we have a small remark: on day 6, we enjoyed it less. We felt like we were walking just for the sake of walking.
A big thank you for the cake offered for Nadine's birthday. The passengers were also able to enjoy a nice piece of cake.
We will not hesitate to advertise your agency.
Best regards,
Nadine and Gérard.
Mr. Pierre Pernot's family - Canada
May 6, 2024 - Ms. Lan Duong, good morning
As promised, I'm giving you feedback on our trip in May 2024 and if I had to give you an overall rating it would be 9/10.
Let's start at the beginning the contact with your agency and yourself as well as the communication in English is excellent, your warm welcome as an experienced professional gives confidence, by your responsiveness which is maximum whether by email or WhatsApp reassures us even more, finally your formula to adapt as much as possible to the client's wishes is most pleasant, Or to simply take your tour organized according to the length of the client's stay, I discovered that the distances in the mountains are counted in hours and not in kilometers between the many bends or the fact of climbing passes it will take time.
The prices charged are competitive and in line with the services offered and given for a 21-day tour in the north (budget to be added depending on the stages, lunch or dinner which remain very affordabl
Mr. Patrick and Mrs. Marie Perou - France
April 21, 2024 - The rest of the journey went very well until Pu Long, largely thanks to Thien who quickly understood what we wanted to see (amazing hikes) and what we wanted to experience in our interactions with the minority ethnic groups. Thanks to our guide, we had many warm exchanges and shared beautiful emotions over tea, fruits, and bong gao in their humble homes. Unforgettable experiences in the villages of tiles, knives, incense, and weaving.
An opportunity for great happiness to experience the Than Minh festival proposed by Thien.
Thank you for the foot massage, which was a pure moment of relaxation... It made us want to book a full body massage upon our return from Pu Long.
We are truly delighted with our journey in the North, although we missed the good weather a bit.
A word also about our driver, who was extremely careful on the mountain roads and always provided valuable assistance with a smile for his passengers.
Looking forward to continuing towards Halon
The Kommer family - Australia
April 13, 2024 - Xenia Kommer's Family Travel Diary
[29/3/24]: Tony and the driver are great! And everything we've seen and done too 😊
[1/4/24]: Hello! We are back from the boat in Halong Bay. It was very beautiful! I didn't tell you that we ate crickets last 😁 week In Tam Coc the boys played football with children from there 😉
[3/4/24]: Hello, we arrived safely in Hoi An today. Everything is great, the hotel is very nice. Yesterday the boys swam in the Hue😉 River
[5/4/24]: Hoi An diving, I don't do it but the boys love it 😃
The Alzarral family with their friends -Spain
March 29, 2024 - To begin with, thank you for this wonderful trip that you organized for us. Thank you to Huan, Kien and Ms. Chau for conveying the love of their country to us. Bus drivers were also safe in this traffic.
After the discussion among all the participants in the trip, we send you these observations:
Guide: 5/5⭐
Drivers 5/5⭐
Bus:4/5⭐
Hotel: 4.9/5⭐ (slightly small breakfast room at the Sanouva Hotel in Saigon).
Choice of restaurant by guides: 5/5⭐
Transfer by plane: 5/5⭐
Choice of visits:5/5⭐
Organization of the agency: 5/5⭐
Thank you, Mrs. TRANG VU, for your warm welcome at the agency and for your willingness to organize our trip. We also thank Bao for his kindness and for the short documentary on YouTube. You can count on us to really appreciate your skills.
Thanks again for everything 😘😘
Mrs. Silvia and her husband - France
March 27, 2024 - Greetings from Lima, guys! We just got home and we don't even feel tired! I still have the energy to keep going, haha!
Now, let's talk about the North. In February, from Hanoi to Ha Long, there is a lot of drizzle. I suggest other visitors always carry a fine raincoat when they go. Luckily, it didn't alter our plan much. We enjoyed the coffee with egg and the bun cha. Ms. Nhung knew all the perfect places to eat, without worrying about finding available places, and at good prices! I'll send you some great photos from Hanoi!
But, the most amazing thing was the experience on the Mekong! Just perfect. We loved Mr. Nguyen; He had an in-depth knowledge of the place, which made us enjoy it to the fullest. He also shared a lot of interesting things about the Vietnamese and their current and current culture, not just theory.
The hotels were ok, no complaints. This trip makes us think of Cambodia and Thailand with our friends in the future (still wishes)
I think that's enou
Chantal & Daniel - Australia
March 15, 2024 - Hello Mrs. Huyen and all her team,
We had dreamed it, we had prepared our trip with the guides, and now we are back, with the images still fresh in our minds.
Thank you and congratulations for this perfect organization, despite the fact that a flight was delayed a day at the last minute. We found our guides and drivers as planned, the guides were friendly, spoke perfect English, the "busy" program was respected.
Recounting our journey could become a real novel, so we will talk about the main points. Now, worry before leaving because the guides said that we should avoid the Tet period, that for the lunar new year everything was closed, anyway what joy, flowers, decorations, events everywhere.
👉Hanoi, staying in the center, after a tour of the city, and a visit to Kampa Tour, a well-deserved siesta, we set off on foot (without a guide) through the narrow streets (thanks to the GPS to find the hotel).
👉The next day, visits to museums, great water puppet
The Le Boucher family - England
February 28, 2024 -
"Hello, the trip is going very well. Yesterday I grew rice. A symbol and a source of pride for me, I would even say one of the goals of this trip. Thank you"
"The work in the rice paddies is already well underway...we are lucky to see the peasants in full activity, it is really enriching to learn about your way of life. A 12km walk today was an intense moment. "
Frequently Asked Questions
1. How do I plan a family-friendly trip for 10 days?
Planning a family-friendly itinerary for 10 days can include activities that cater to all ages:
- Bangkok: Visit family-friendly attractions like the Safari World, SEA LIFE Bangkok Ocean World, and Lumpini Park. Explore temples and enjoy a boat ride on the Chao Phraya River.
- Chiang Mai: Spend time at the Elephant Nature Park, visit the Night Safari, and explore the Royal Park Rajapruek. Participate in a Thai cooking class suitable for kids.
- Phuket/Krabi: Enjoy beach activities, visit the Phuket Aquarium, and take a boat tour to nearby islands. Relax on family-friendly beaches like Kata Beach in Phuket or Ao Nang Beach in Krabi. Including a mix of educational, cultural, and fun activities ensures that everyone in the family has a memorable trip.
2. What are the hotels offered for this trip? Can I choose the hotels myself?
3. Is 10 days enough to explore Thailand?
4. Do you offer diving or snorkeling excursions for free days on the islands?
5. What is the level of the proposed hikes?
6. Are international flights included in your travel packages?
7. Can we go hiking during the trip?
Still have questions or hesitations?